Quotes

In their own words.

Witness Lee on salvation, the high gospel, and calling on the Lord. Elders on Philip Lee and Anaheim. Former members on money, control, and dissent. For a shorter summary, see the ten tests Witness Lee’s teaching fails.

45 quoted passages

Authority and accountability

How authority shaped the Local Churches

3 quotes

Claims about God’s oracle

“You cannot deny the fact that the Lord’s oracle has been with me. I claim this at the face of Jesus Christ.”
Witness Lee, as recorded by John Ingalls ↗Ingalls places these words at the November 1988 Pasadena conference and the elders’ meeting that followed, in Speaking the Truth in Love, chapter 7. · Read in context ↗
“I’m claiming this for Lee!”
Witness Lee, as recorded by John Ingalls ↗Ingalls records Lee making this claim in the same November 1988 meetings while connecting God’s oracle with deputy authority. · Read in context ↗
“If you listen to me, you do not listen to Lee, you listen to the very God in His oracle spoken by me.”
Witness Lee, as recorded by John Ingalls ↗Ingalls records this as Lee’s strongest formulation from the same meetings, in Speaking the Truth in Love, chapter 16. · Read in context ↗
The Lee family

Philip Lee, Timothy Lee, and accountability

23 quotes

Authority, misconduct, and discipline

“She could not tolerate anymore the gross misconduct that was being perpetrated upon some and especially upon her.”
A Living Stream Ministry office worker, as recorded by John Ingalls ↗Ingalls says she held a prominent position in the LSM office, came to his home on the evening of September 30, 1987, and with tears opened her heart to him. He records a precedent about ten years earlier, with similar incidents in the office confirmed at the time by several eyewitnesses. She is not named, which is appropriate in a report of sexual misconduct. This is her account as received by the senior elder she brought it to, and it is the closest the record comes to one of these women speaking in her own words. · Read in context ↗
“It is contended that “gross immorality” and other sins were committed by Phillip Lee over a ten-year period, with Witness Lee’s knowledge, and that Lee and his co-workers tolerated and covered up this behavior.”
William M. Alnor, Christian Research Journal, Fall 1988 ↗Reported while the crisis was still unfolding, from tapes of the October 9 Anaheim meeting, and naming the church in Stuttgart as holding the same grievance. The journal presents the charge as contended rather than established. CRI is the same organization that later published a favorable reassessment of Lee’s theology, which makes its contemporary reporting hard to dismiss as hostile. · Read in context ↗
“Philip was observed fondling a sister in the office of Living Stream.”
Steve Isitt, A History of the Lord’s Recovery in the U.S. ↗Isitt says this report came to the Anaheim elders and that the woman later acknowledged it when they spoke with her. His compilation does not identify the observer or the woman, or reproduce either person’s statement. · Read in context ↗
“Philip, of course, is not perfect; nobody is perfect!”
Witness Lee, as recorded by John Ingalls ↗Ingalls says Lee made this comment at a July 1988 Living Stream board meeting after Philip had been removed as office manager and the misconduct reports had been repeatedly raised. · Read in context ↗

The Daystar business

“He was known to have had a prostitute stay with him.”
Steve Isitt, A History of the Lord’s Recovery in the U.S. ↗Isitt places this alleged incident in Timothy Lee’s living quarters near the Daystar plant in Taipei. The compilation does not name the witness or reproduce an underlying document, so this remains a serious compiled insider allegation, not an independently confirmed fact. · Read in context ↗
“Later the son mentioned to some saints that 2.5 million U. S. dollars disappeared from his hands.”
Reconsideration of the Vision, referring to Timothy Lee ↗The anonymous 1988 insider pamphlet does not explain whether “disappeared” meant business losses, missing funds, or misappropriation. It supplies no ledger tracing the money. · Read in context ↗
“Many saints were pressured to give their life savings to this business.”
Reconsideration of the Vision, 1988 ↗Anonymous 1988 insider allegation about Daystar. · Read in context ↗
“Mr. X then asked one of his co-workers … to persuade the saints, who invested their money to consider the investment as a donation and not seek to be reimbursed.”
Reconsideration of the Vision, 1988 ↗The same anonymous pamphlet’s allegation concerning Daystar investors. · Read in context ↗
“Most were intimidated into taking a big bath.”
Brent Barber, James Barber Family Testimony ↗Barber says members were strongly discouraged from seeking reimbursement after financial ventures promoted in meetings failed. · Read in context ↗
“Ones who were quite angry and wanted their money back, typically, got paid.”
Steve Isitt, A History of the Lord’s Recovery in the U.S., Part 1 ↗Isitt’s retrospective compilation says some saints wanted to sue after Daystar failed, while many others were asked to waive Lee’s debt. It does not provide a complete payment ledger. · Read in context ↗
“They have lost their virginity.”
Witness Lee, as recalled by Don Hardy ↗Hardy says Lee used these words after John Smith raised the suffering caused by Daystar and said the saints somehow needed to be repaid. When Dick Taylor asked what Lee meant, Lee said the saints had lost their first love, become mixed, and been seduced. · Read in context ↗
“Why, the “little precious man” sitting right in front of us, IS THE MAN who seduced us all!!”
Don Hardy, recalling the Daystar elders’ meeting ↗Hardy says this was his unspoken answer to the question nobody publicly asked: who had seduced the saints? In his own mind, the answer was the man sitting before them: Witness Lee. · Read in context ↗

Financial questions involving the Lee family

“About Daystar, that is not your business. No, I don’t answer you.”
Witness Lee, recorded phone call with Sal Benoit ↗Lee’s answer after Benoit asked whether money given to Living Stream had been used to pay Daystar loans or losses. The linked transcript identifies the recording as a February 1978 call. · Read in context ↗
“I’m not responsible to anyone. I’m only responsible to the government.”
Witness Lee, recorded phone call with Sal Benoit ↗Later in the same recorded exchange about Living Stream Ministry accounts and Daystar-related loans. · Read in context ↗
“Philip Lee and the grandsons of Lee had fat Swiss bank accounts.”
Brent Barber, relaying what his father James Barber told him ↗Barber called the accounts slush funds from Living Stream. No bank statement or transfer record accompanies his testimony, and he did not connect the alleged accounts specifically to Daystar. · Read in context ↗

Taiwan, 1959: the pattern before Daystar

“Around 1959, Lee’s private mishandling of finances caused the first financial crisis. The work funds the saints had offered were lost, and a large debt remained. Coworkers were forced to sell a roughly seven-thousand-ping plot on Nanking East Road that had been purchased for a meeting hall and training center.”
Qi Liping (漆立平), A Forty-Year Review and Prospect, Part 2 ↗Qi describes Lee’s failed business venture and the debt that followed. This is an insider allegation, not an audit finding. · Read in context ↗
“The work funds were entrusted to him by the Lord, he said, and he had the right to dispose of them as he pleased. Even if he threw them into the Pacific Ocean, no one had the right to question him.”
Guofu, Critique of Local Church Work Problems ↗Guofu reports this as Lee’s public defense after work funds were lost in a failed venture around 1960. It is an insider accusation, not a transcript. · Read in context ↗
“This is exactly the situation of Amos 8:5: using a small measure when giving out and a large one when taking in, and cheating with dishonest scales.”
Guofu, Critique of Local Church Work Problems ↗Guofu argues coworkers received only symbolic support from work funds while large offerings kept flowing in under the foreman’s control. · Read in context ↗

The pattern did not stop with Daystar

“Because the motor home market stopped, so it turned to the factory … manufacturing tennis racquets.”
Witness Lee, recorded phone call with Sal Benoit ↗Lee confirmed that the Taiwan Phosphorus factory, owned by Overseas Christian Stewards, had made Daystar motor homes and later pivoted to tennis rackets. The linked transcript identifies the recording as a February 1978 call. · Read in context ↗
“The funds collected by Living Stream for Linkou were neither forwarded to the church in Taipei nor returned to the contributing churches.”
Qi Liping (漆立平), A Forty-Year Review and Prospect, Part 2 ↗Qi says churches across the U.S. and Canada were urged during winter training to give through Living Stream for the large meeting hall. After construction was blocked, he alleges the money was swallowed up without accountability. This is an insider allegation from 1990, not an audit finding, and no bank records accompany the account. · Read in context ↗
“Toward the roughly NT$30 million Linkou purchase, Taiwan Gospel Book Room contributed NT$3 million, then at registration demanded a one-tenth ownership stake in the property.”
Guofu, Critique of Local Church Work Problems ↗Guofu says the ministry withdrew only after the land proved undevelopable. He compares the maneuver to an earlier property transfer in Cerritos, California. This is an insider accusation, not a property record reproduced in the compilation. · Read in context ↗
“We have bought more than twenty-four acres of land in Linkou, and we hope to be able to build a large meeting hall, but our application for the building permit was not approved.”
Witness Lee, The Furtherance of the New Way for the Lord’s Recovery, Chapter 7 ↗Lee told the churches the Linkou project could be postponed and large meetings held in rented stadiums. He does not discuss what became of North American offerings raised for the project. · Read in context ↗
“Have you heard about Lee’s other financial swindles? Anyone remember the tennis racket factory? I think it was called “Delta.” … We had to cart around dozens of boxes of unsellable tennis rackets every time we moved.”
Anonymous former member, Layman’s Fellowship compilation ↗People Change also describes suits, jewelry, and import goods promoted through meetings. The writer is not named, supplies no receipts or factory records, and the account cannot be matched to a specific corporate filing. · Read in context ↗
Doctrine and dispute

God, Christ, salvation, and the kingdom

19 quotes

Christ became the life-giving Spirit

“In resurrection Christ as the last Adam became the life-giving Spirit and entered into His believers as the Holy Spirit.”
Witness Lee, The Economy and Dispensing of God ↗Lee presents this as the means by which the processed Triune God dispenses divine life into believers. · Read in context ↗
“We may say that the Son is the Father (Isa. 9:6), and that the Spirit is the Son (2 Cor. 3:17).”
Witness Lee, The Divine Economy ↗Lee distinguishes what is true “in name” from what is true “in person” elsewhere in the same chapter, but states the identification this plainly. · Read in context ↗
“It is heretical to teach that there are two life-giving Spirits, two Spirits who give life.”
Witness Lee, Life-Study of 1 Corinthians, Message 69 ↗Lee states this while teaching that Christ became the life-giving Spirit in resurrection. · Read in context ↗
“Before Christ’s resurrection, such a Spirit was not yet. Christ’s resurrection produced the life-giving Spirit.”
Witness Lee, Life-Study of Isaiah, Message 51 ↗Lee directly ties the Spirit’s alleged newness to Christ’s resurrection. · Read in context ↗

The Son, the Father, and “one person”

“The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are not three separate persons or three Gods; they are one God, one reality, one person.”
Witness Lee, The Triune God to Be Life to the Tripartite Man ↗One of the statements evangelical leaders challenged in the 2007 open letter. CRI reads it as coinherence language rather than a denial of eternal personal distinction. · Read in context ↗

When a trainer placed Lee after the Trinity

“We agree that this leading is indispensable to our oneness.”
The 1986 New Way Letter of Agreement ↗The letter addresses Witness Lee directly and goes on to acknowledge one trumpet in the ministry and one wise master builder. · Read in context ↗
“We preach that Witness Lee is a one-man show.”
Young trainers, as reported by Bill Mallon in 1987 ↗Mallon names Minoru Chan, Howard Higashi, Paul Hon, Jake Jacobson, Benson Phillips, Dan Towle, and Andrew Yu among the trainers who confronted elders during the 1986 Summer Training in Irving. · Read in context ↗
“The Father is first, the Son second, the Holy Spirit third, Witness Lee fourth, followed by those around Witness Lee.”
Paul Hon, as reported by Hong Kong elders and coworkers ↗The signed statement places the remark in a Texas home in July 1986 during fellowship about oneness with the ministry. · Read in context ↗
“The Triune God is three, yet He now has a fourth part, a counterpart.”
Witness Lee, The Central Line of the Divine Revelation ↗Lee identifies the fourth part as the Body, not himself, and says only the Father, Son, and Spirit are worthy of worship. · Read in context ↗

Is “one church in one city” a biblical command?

“Each mention of the city-church in scripture is a description, an example, and does not involve commands.”
John Myer, A Future and a Hope, chapter 5 ↗Myer argues that the local ground pattern should be respected as a first-century example without being elevated to binding church law. · Read in context ↗
“Regardless of how they deny it, every no-name group eventually is named, and perhaps even more strongly than those around it.”
John Myer, A Future and a Hope, chapter 5 ↗Myer argues that “the church in [city]” functions as a name even when LSM insists it is only a description. · Read in context ↗

When Lee called the apostles’ gospel “low”

“We should not preach the shallow gospel that Christianity preaches. That gospel tells people that they have sinned and must suffer the punishment of hell, but that God has had pity on them and has given His beloved Son to die for them to redeem them and to resurrect for them, and that as long as they repent and believe in Him, they will receive eternal life and will go to heaven... Although this is the gospel, it is a low gospel. The high gospel that we preach says that the Word who was God from the beginning became flesh, passed through human living, was crucified, resurrected, and has become the life-giving Spirit to accomplish the great work of the divine dispensing.”
Witness Lee, A Deeper Study of the Divine Dispensing, Chapter 2 (1990) ↗Lee contrasts the gospel preached by other Christians with the gospel he tells his hearers to preach. · Read in context ↗

Witness Lee and the Gnostics

“Animal men, again, are instructed in animal things; such men, namely, as are established by their works, and by a mere faith, while they have not perfect knowledge. We of the Church, they say, are these persons.”
Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book I, Chapter 6 ↗Irenaeus reports which Christians the Valentinians placed in the soulish class. · Read in context ↗
“Today many Christians can be compared to cows listening to music: they have no appreciation or discernment of what they hear.”
Witness Lee, Life-Study of 1 Corinthians, Message 17 ↗Lee on 1 Corinthians 2:14–15. · Read in context ↗

Psalm 1 and the plain words of Scripture

“This shows us that Psalm 1 is good, but it was written with a wrong concept… Thus, we should not highly appraise Psalm 1. It was written wrongly with a wrong concept, a human concept.”
Witness Lee, Life-Study of Psalms, Message 1 ↗Lee explains Psalm 1. · Read in context ↗
“In verses 1-6, he was ‘Abel’; in verses 7-11, he was ‘Cain.’ We have to give David the credit in the line of life and the debit in the line of the knowledge of good and evil.”
Witness Lee, Life-Study of Psalms, Message 9 ↗Lee on Psalm 19, whose verses 7–11 praise God’s law. · Read in context ↗
“The book of Job, preceding the Psalms, is a record of human views based on human concepts concerning the relationship between God and man… In this book there is no prayer or praise offered to God. Furthermore, there is no hint that Job, his three friends, and Elihu had any kind of thirst for God.”
Witness Lee, Life-Study of Job, Message 36 ↗Lee sums up the book of Job. · Read in context ↗
“When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of tradition.”
Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter 2 ↗Irenaeus describes how the heretics answered when Scripture was used against them. · Read in context ↗

Easy believism and calling "O Lord" three times

“If we help them to say “O Lord” three times, they will be saved.”
Witness Lee, The Seven Spirits for the Local Churches ↗Lee goes on to say that this can happen without preaching and even when the unbeliever has no intention of believing. · Read in context ↗
Matthew 18:15-17New King James Version · Read on BibleGateway ↗

15Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.

16But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that “by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.”

17And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

Jesus does not leave an unrepentant brother inside the fellowship forever. After private confrontation and witnesses, the church speaks plainly. If he still refuses to turn back, he is to be treated as an unbeliever and a tax collector, that is, as someone outside the believing community. The quotations above document protected sin, resisted correction, and teaching many Christians judge to be another gospel. Members who have brought these concerns to leaders and heard no repentance are not required to remain in the Local Churches as though Witness Lee and his ministry were still a faithful church.